Public sentiment about India's economic growth is mixed, with pride in achievements under PM Modi's leadership contrasting sharply with criticism over inflation, corruption, and urgent socio-economic challenges. Many advocate for greater focus on infrastructure and living standards, reflecting disillusionment amidst cautious optimism.

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PM Narendra Modi

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jerseyrollin

I was confused on why Nigeria was green until I forgot it was 2020.

Appropriate-Let-283

That’s interesting.. where can I find a map for 2025 just to see what changed.

xofire

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And as long as Pakistan stays red their happy

The_Scotion

WHATTT Iraq and Syria have better gdp pre cap than india??? Yaar sharam ki baat hai....

SuzerainVendetta

Congratulations on doing better than most of the Sub-Saharan Africa, the Stans, and some socialist paradises.

eroica1804

What happened to India. Just half a century ago India and China were on the same boat. Similar massive population, similar shitty gdp and hdi. Considering China is socialist and was never regardedly highly in the west, why didn't India become what China is now?

child_eater6

Shhhhhh, we only compare ourselves to pakistan 

Lost-Letterhead-6615

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Yonkers2012

That’s impressive considering how massive their population is to bring down any per capita statistics.

STFUnicorn_

Wow Papua New Guinea 😲 very impressive

JshBld

That's why every sane person is trying to leave India and settle abroad

M1sterErr0r

yeah but but but CEO'in America are from India bro Bharat superpowerby 2020 bro

EmergencyReal6399

Idk why most Indians get so butthurt when stats like this are shown. India is big and a formidable military power, but still desperately poor. The current government changed the definition of the poverty line just to claim how many people they lifted out of poverty. The corruption is India is systemic and the leaders ensure that large sections of the population remain poor and dependent on subsidies so they can be exploited as vote banks. India has a bright future when you factor in the working age population and economic growth rate, but still has a long way to go in terms of affording a bare minimum quality of life for nearly a billion people.

TribalSoul899

Why 2020


And I believe PPP is a better way to measure

AgentRacro

ArvindLamal

India is poorer than I would have guessed.

KingMelray

Imagine getting bested by Libya a country that is currently having a multi sided civil war

Acrobatic-Hippo-6419

imagine not being able to stand against half of Africa

jet_tricolor

But but, we are better than pakistan. Full power India, 10000 year old civilization.

Superb_Put_711

Bitter-Train-5961

While I accept that there is indeed a lot of poverty in india. The country has done a good job at reducing poverty while staying a democracy and an alive and engaged one at that. Just in the last decade india pulled 200 million plus people from extreme poverty. From 20 percent to 3% I think. 

India also does a lot of sandbagging so it can maintain a leverage in deals. Those who are saying there isn't industry are wrong, india is the second biggest producer of cement, coal and steel the core material which judge industrialisation in the world by quite a margin just being china so it definitely is on the trajectory. 

On ppp basis india fares a lot better and keep in mind that india hasn't updated it's base gdp figures since 15 or so years deliberately.

zack_tiger

How is libyas gdp per person higher than indias?

PolarBearJ123

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WAR10CK94

Nah using 5 year old data isn't doing justice to the information being shown here. 5 years is a LONGGG time for a developing country.

UpAndDownMiddle

I think Uzbekistan has since surpassed but I’m surprised they’re that similar - granted I’ve only visited Tashkent so far in my travels but it looked quite developed

DimSumNoodles

Lmao this chart. 


Capturing GDP Per Capita in an year when the growth rate of the country was -7.5%.


Today India has 50% more GDP per capita than Kenya and Nigeria. 


Also, even here can't present data correctly. Syria has half the GDP PC of India. Still it is shown as green. 

Pretend_Delivery_679

Yes it's bad but it's not THIS bad. Use ppp. That's around 12000 usd

Advait8571

India is essentially indistinguishable from sub Saharan Africa with no signs of improving comparatively.

jabedude

The funny part is they hate Pakistan so much they’ll be happy they do better than them

Slow-Seaweed-5232

Bangladesh is impressive, small country with a huge population

LumpyBed

9999AWC

What's going on in East Africa? The way East Africans talk, you would assume they were vastly ahead of West Africa.

Razatiger

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fkzkditsix

Venezuela en los 50 viendo solo 3 paises en verde

bombman-2750

Why the 5 years outdated data though, despite new data being available ?

coder_realtor

Thra99

wait most southeast asian countries are higher than india? this is actually mindblowing

saprogg

And we celebrate the 4th largest economy as idiots

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The United States remains firmly in the lead, followed by China, though the gap is gradually closing. Meanwhile, India has made headlines by surpassing Japan to become the world’s fourth-largest economy.

KennyCalzone

People in this post say India will improve its infrastructure while it grows like China. It won’t. China’s GDP growth heavily depends on any type of construction and investment. And it lacks of disposable wealth in Chinese pocket is becoming noticeable. India government doesn’t have the luxury that Chinese government has. So it will take much longer time for India to have same standard as China while its citizen life become better.

SuperTimmyH

Been to India once to see the Taj Majal.  Their sanitation will make you lose your sanity.  Never coming back.  Lol.  Not even if they pay me .  Been to Japan twice and I will definitely see it again.

Naive-Illustrator-11

This doesn't mean much when you consider India has a population of 1.4: billion. GDP per capita is less than 2k per year. The top 10 percent own 70 percent of the wealth. The bottom 50 percent, 700 million people, live in extreme poverty.

Assistant_manager_

Impressive, I suppose but this was supposed to happen 2 decades ago (or at least according to those India-Superpower! stories lol).

I’m more interested in what will cause it to stagger. From what I believe, consumer demand is strong enough and gouvernement spending is as good as can be expected. IIRC there is a LOT of corruption (so much so that it becomes a cost of business) there, that could cause problems with innovation and small businesses maybe. And inequality, but I don’t know enough about it. 

Either way, someone feel free to correct me. I haven’t looked at India in a while.

HugoHancock

Numbers mean nothing if we do not work on our infrastructure. The numbers are high only due to population and the living standards and income disparity between the rich and the poor is a whole new conversation altogether. 

We could even surpass the USA but it would still mean nothing overall to the world if we cannot setup basic infrastructure for our citizens. Japan and China are light years ahead.

UnfairDiscount8331

Ca someone explain what this means? Is it the Indian economy is bigger than Japan’s mainly due to population but other wise per capita is lower?

Ok-Bar601

Who cares. The United States is the richest country in the world but half the population lives near poverty levels. Things are about to get even worse. 

India has always had a huge gap between the rich and the poor. Certainly things have improved a lot but maybe the relevant statistics should be the quality of life for the poor.

ThatsAllFolksAgain

good job, i feel like there might a boom in tech startups/companies in india considering how indian youth is getting educated in STEM at high rates, that will boost their economy even more in the next 10 years

Connect-Idea-1944

Ha! This is fluff from the Modi government. Would love to see what the numbers are for unemployment especially in the 21-40 age group. Plus the rupee has gone down compared to the Dollar, Euro and Pound.

Maximum_Rhubarb5820

India may not be able to hold this position for a long time due to the out of control population. But Japan can get back to the 4th position by losing its population size.

NewspaperEither

India has been posting good growth figures for the past 3 decades, across multiple parties and coalitions, and has weathered multiple crises far better than other countries in the region (FOREX, particularly). 

People seem to have far higher standards for India than other similar countries, and use a failure to live up to those ideals as reasons it will fall behind other countries... except they also don't live up to those standards. From "democratic backsliding" to "logistics costs", India does better than most other "China alternatives"

&gt;I truly do not believe that all of this hatred is organic

It doesn't help that there's almost a perfect overlap between "uses the English side of the internet" and "is rich enough to be *negatively* effected by most Indians becoming richer".

(But I'd also be shocked if there *wasn't* a massive psyop. It would almost be stupid if there wasn't.)

Edit: Mega LOL at OP's response to the same post, but on r/India, getting removed while the economic growth thruther they responded to stays up. They're not even hiding it...

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It's because China:

\- opened up their economy before India did (1978 vs 1991)

\- attracted more foreign investment

\- had a higher savings rate

\- tackled corruption much better

\- placed a higher priority on education

\- invested more heavily in Research and Development

\- industrialised far faster (built infrastructure, industry  and electrified the country more rapidly)

\- took on higher risk, higher reward loans in their credit sector to fuel infrastructure growth

\- urbanised their rural population at a faster rate (increasing productivity and creating a larger worker pool for manufacturing)

\- undervalued their currency to make their exports more competitive

\- achieved higher gains in Total Factor Productivity, by more efficient resource allocation in their industrial sector

\- has a system of government where officials future career prospects are contingent on their ability to deliver economic growth

These are just some that I can name off the top of my head. There are a lot more, but I think this list covers most of the important ones.

It goes to show how big of an impact governance has on economic growth. The current divergence between the two even more surprising considering India was slightly ahead of China in the mid 70s on a GDP per capita basis.

[https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-per-capita-penn-world-table?tab=chart&amp;time=1952..latest&amp;country=CHN\~IND](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-per-capita-penn-world-table?tab=chart&amp;time=1952..latest&amp;country=CHN~IND)

Few_Mortgage3248

India has not failed. Indian GDP growth was 9.2% in 2023-2024. They are up and coming. Maybe a late starter, but in no way are they failed.

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I mean arn't a lot of tech jobs based or outsourced to India? 

Even the large population has led to a lot of manufacturing happening there continously. 

I think the cheap labour + lot of tech jobs there makes it grow rapidly similar to China. 

A lot of stats about India in general feel unreliable because there are issues with corruption, people not reporting stuff, etc as well

I don't know about superpower but I think it is probably one of the top 10 countries in terms of economy, military etc already

Even-Ad-9930

How do you define a superpower? India has already nukes, a massive population and the ablity to project hard power regionally.

ThyrsosBearer

I think as long as GDP growth stays above like 5% they will eventually get there. All the other factors really don't matter or are anecdotal/your own bias. The simple reality is nations with really big populations wind up building a lot of manufacturing output just to keep up with their own domestic demand and that winds up giving them a lot of export potential while their middle class wealth levels and circular economy take longer to develop due to the big population. So long as India has above average growth rates they will develop superpower level economic output, which is probably the best measure of a superpower. 

I don't know why your so desperate for India to not be a superpower, but with that big population they only have to do OK to still wind up with a lot more output than most nations with a fraction of that population. America wouldn't be nearly as much of a superpower compared to a single nation in EU without that huge population compared to smaller EU nations, for instance. The US would still do OK per capita, but Germany beats the US per capita in manufacturing, you just don't notice it because their population is much smaller.

China on the other hand has the most manufacturing output in the world by far, around three times the US, but per capita they are like 4 times less than the US. 

The only reason I would speculate against India becoming a superpower is because they have a pretty hot climate for a rather rapidly warming world, but I don't think that alone will limit India enough to stop them from developing far more manufacturing output than most nations.

The whole superpower concept is a bit flawed when we don't bother to adjust per capita when some nations have like 50 million people and others have like 1.4 billion. The US is generally considered to be the most super of the superpowers, but on the other hand China has like 3 times the manufacturing output. 

One day robotic labor may even things out and make population size less important, but I suspect it will remain a big factor even just because of the amount of resources need for a circular economy of 1.4+ billion (India/China)  vs 330 million (US) vs 60 million (average large EU country population) AND eventually many nations will develop robotic automation independent of US/EU/China.

Presidential_Rapist

I think the problem, like many post-colonial states, is psychological, which affects culture and basically everything 

But if there is any next world superpower, it's probably going to be them, the smartest, hardworking people I've met in my entire life were indians.

Almost no scope of CMV

China and other countries: Problem A? Implement solution A to address it and move forward.

India: Problem A? Solution X to Z for which problems don't even exist and act like Problem A is not even there.

Latest example.

Real problems faced by Indians

1. Extreme train delays 
2. Train cancellations
3. Folks from unreserved coaches occupying reserved ones

What does the Govt do?

ATMs in Trains :)

And here's where it gets worse: the folks are completely awash in brain dead politician/party worshipping and religious hatred. 

No matter how brutally dictatorial a country is, at some point they gotta make atleast some changes if people are demanding openly.

Seen that in India, especially in the last 10 years?

Public wants bigotry and chants of glorious past. If they ain't even looking ahead, how will they know where exactly to improve, much less do anything about it.

Visual-Bag-88

I was just in India- Mumbai, Jaipur, Agra and New Delhi for my MBA program speaking to panels and people in different fields- primarily tech or beauty as that's what my program focuses on. The country is so huge and "many Indias" is very true. The wealth gaps are extraordinary. India does have a few things going for it though, that these people spoke of: strong general positive mindset that their country is going in a positive direction, higher voter turnout for the worlds largest democracy  -something like 68%-which is a ton of people considering their population, strong digital nativism- data is very cheap in India and even the poorest people are online. One thing that one of the panel discussions talked a lot about that I found very interesting was this concept that India skipped the Industrial Revolution and the credit card phase (went straight from cash to digital payments). They are wanting to embrace technology but the gaps between city and rural are vast and the infrastructure is still being developed. You contrast this for example with lack of highways and railways to rural areas with for example app services in Mumbai and Delhi where you can order anything from a snack to a literal refrigerator within 15-20 minutes. It's crazy. 
The brain drain is real though but salaries are slowly shifting there as the middle class grows -it was mentioned a lot. 
Personally I think it's a wonderful country and can see the potential but there's lots of work to be done.

darthTharsys

India doesn't have jobs to support it's highly educated population. So it either has to:
a) Stop educating people
b) Make more jobs


Option 2 makes more sense, but it just takes time and even if they are loosing people it's still better to have "some" that might make companies that employ others. Look at their space agency? Building rockets from scrap that somehow perform amazingly well. Give it a decade or two and hopefully the actual economy is going to create opportunities inside India and not cause things like engineers stampeding over a company because they opened up a job posting. Yes it happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUk4S9OOwgo

BorderKeeper

I just spent a month traveling across the country, and the reality on the ground paints a very different picture from this narrative.

The infrastructure is decades (in some places centuries) behind - roads are crumbling, public services are inconsistent, and trash literally lines the streets in every town and city. There’s staggering wealth inequality: the ultra-rich live in palaces surrounded by slums, while the vast majority of the population struggles in some of the worst poverty I’ve seen anywhere in the world. 

The education system is underfunded and outdated and corruption is so baked into the system that public funds disappear before they reach the people.

Of course I agree, India has immense potential - its population, tech talent, and cultural richness are real assets. But from what I’ve seen it’s not on the cusp of becoming a global superpower without massive structural reform.

Food is next level though. Every place I ate was mind blowing.

Karma_Circus

I actually agree. Culturally India is incredibly diverse compared to China. It’s also incredibly stratified socially compared to China. Both of these factors make it incredibly difficult for the government to drive large economic growth and societal restructuring. India would need its own version of a cultural revolution, where it fully abandons the caste system, fully embraces a pan-India identity and removes religious bias from government. It would then also need massive investment into high density infrastructure - to an even greater level than China since India is set to become even more densely populated. And a huge education program to upskill its population. Lacking any of these will hamper their efforts.

Jeffery95

In terms of immigration, unlike smaller countries, India's population is so large that it is impossible for rich countries to severely damage India by brain draining sufficient numbers of Indians. There's just so many of them.


The flow of people can benefit developing countries just as it brain drains them. A portion of the brains will return and take new technologies and knowledge back, accelerating India's development.


Demographically, India is in a decent spot. By 2050, India will have more working age population than China and the US combined. Even with sluggish income growth, multiplied by number of people and India will have a very large economy by 2050.

Eric1491625

I personally think it won't be in the next 100 years.

There is too much red tape, bureaucracy and bribery. Things don't move fast, every system is overwhelmed medical, educational, defence you name it. The infrastructure is crumbling and manufacturing doesn't exist. There are little to no investments happening in the country. 

There are tons of issues here. In near a lot of Indians will give up their citizenship to move to another country. It is just too inefficient.

_Ultra_Magnus_

Pale_Zebra8082

Not in the next 30 years atleast. No investment in R and D by either the government or private business . Not enough research in the universities. 

We have a culture of education but it is geared towards monetizing it  Many of our best scientific minds get into finance because we crave financial security as most of us have grown up without it.

You don't get anywhere by pure trade alone. We value conformity over original thought

Our only realistic hope is that the newly financially secure middle class encourage their kids to pursue science for sciences sake or art for arts sake.

retroauro

India can never become a superpower like the US, simply because if Indians are consuming at the same rate as the US, we will need 16 earths of resources. China is blessed with natural resources unlike India. Indian government knows this, and if you listen to them, they are working on some slingshot technologies.  

An average middle class indian today wakes up in an Indian made bed, matress, pillows and blankets, brushes his teeth using Indian made brush and paste, eats food largely produced and cooked in India, goes to the office in an Indian made car, bike, train or cycle. He communicates using Indian assembled phones thru indian (made and launched in India) satellites and indian made communication systems which are the cheapest in the world. His clothes and shoes are made in India, and so are all his medicines. He watches mostly indian made movies with indian actors, indian made songs with indian singers, and enjoys indian made art. He does all this using indian made banking services like UPI.  

India has most of its fundamentals figured out: food is largely made in India, clothing is largely made in India, medicines are made in India, and indian homes use mostly indian materials. Most Indians consume electricity that is made in India, transportation is done using indian made vehicles and communication using indian satellites and phones.  

The largest import to India is oil, and hydrogen fuel is the first slingshot technology that Indian government is working on.  

The second largest imports are electronics, and indian government is trying to set up silicon manufacturing and other electronic manufacturing in India.  

Apart from aircrafts and aircraft parts, India exports more than it imports in every other sector in its top 50 imports. https://tradingeconomics.com/india/imports-by-category


Energy will be another challenge that India will face as it grows, and thorium nuclear technology is the other slingshot technology that Indian government is working on.  

Population is another challenge, and India already is below replacement rate which tapers the population slowly and decreases it in the long term.  

Climate change is a challenge, and India is the only country that is satisfying its Paris agreement deals.  

Education is a challenge, NEP tries to deal with it, and this is the same education system that brought out all the people you mentioned, like Satya Nadella, Sundar Pichai and CEO's of many fortune 500 companies.  

Many Indians are leaving the country, but similar numbers are coming into the country, with net immigration rate being zero. Gandhi, Nehru, Manmohan Singh, most of our nobel laureates, most of our scientists, have left the country at some time and have come back to settle in India.  

Pollution is the only long term problem that India is struggling to solve. India had famines during British, food insecurity, single digit literacy and life expectancy. We have overcome them and we will overcome the other issues too.  


India will not become a superpower in a day, but India was a superpower before the British for 5000 years, and will become the superpower after a long break. For the world to survive, US and Europe should downgrade their consumption to close to Indian standards than the other way around.  

We will just have to focus, work hard and be optimistic. A small vessel can be heated quickly but a large vessel takes time.

Bivariate_analysis

I’ve lived in a neighboring country, and the thing just is that the quality of life is very poor. Unbelievable pollution, trash, traffic jams. These issues need to be solved before anyone will want to live there.

tnz81

To be a superpower nowadays you need a large population which India has. With the large population you need to make sure each person can be productive and India is doing this by improving its infrastructure. As people become more productive wages can go up which can encourage women to look for work which will fix employment issues. Also by increasing manufacturing you reduce the need for physical labor and this will allow more jobs for women. Brain drain will decrease when India fixes its basic infrastructure problems because then people will have the tools to make money in India if they stay. Oil is a problem but India has plenty of coal so if they can electrify everything then they'd be set in energy, and even if they can't electrify if the West electrifies that will bring down the cost of oil as India would not have to compete with the West to purchase oil.

That's what needs to happen internally: as you can see India does not have to do anything extraordinary for that to happen! Externally I think India is already in a good position. The Western world is no longer growing. The world needs developing countries to fuel growth. China is not growing as fast as it used to (some would even argue its declining but I wouldn't go that far) and the Western world dislikes China. That leaves India.  Rich people will no longer invest in the Western world when they see there is no growth and instead they'll invest in India. Of course rich people are investing in the Western world due to artificial intelligence but if that bubble ever pops then eventually they'll invest in a large developing country like India.

JohnBick40

How does India have a monumental brain drain? There are more than 1.4 billion people there.

If it loses 2.2 million people a year that’s nothing.

Material-Macaroon298

India will become number 2 economy due to 1 big reason. They have the largest population with 1.4 billion people with the median age of 28 years old. Compared to China which has an aging population with a median age of 40 and declining birth rates.

India also has a lot of room to grow and their rapid urbanization has just started. They’re also a lot more business friendly to the outside world than China. 

Also, you’re seeing many white collar jobs especially IT infrastructure specific jobs being offshored to India. 

I think you’re seeing many countries and not just the US getting tired of Chinas authoritative governments.

Direct_Crew_9949

The country is too split right now. Indians from different provinces hate each other. Also the issue with Pakistan. Indians should just chill out and love each other. It would lead to solving a lot of problems.

(Tangent) Look at the US right now. Congress is so split the only bills they will pass are ones that keep them running. It has led to a president who takes full control with executive orders, bypassing checks and powers. Ironically enough, Congress is split on how to deal with this usurp of power.

Hate will never lead to progress. Looking at US, the same can be applied for India &amp; Pakistan.

Global_Ingenuity_136

What you haven't considered when comparing China is how India will be able to and inevitably take over it's tactics for stealing trade secrets. 

India's ability to compete with China for cheap labor will only grow while retaining it's loose regulations that China will eventually have to acknowledge.

As that happens India will build more industries as hand me downs essentially. The only argument I could see preventing their growth would be mass civil war escalating from Hindu and Islam

MyNameIsNotKyle

I'm half India I went on a holiday there. I totally understand why most Indians want to emigrate, In Delhi I witnessed extreme poverty it was the filthiest polluted place you could imagine the food made me ill the smell made me vomit the noise drove me insane. If I had been born there I think I would do anything to escape. Now I understand why Indians Are desperate to come to UK I feel so bad for Indians. I would commit suicide if I couldn't leave.

Strong-Frame-565

 Brain drain will reverse once job opportunities improve back in India. Besides there is no shortage of brains in India.

I admit, India has its problems but it is growing at 6-7% every year ain't it? Lets hope the country will continue to reform. You know, India was at the No.1 spot for most of human history. It only fell off the last 250 years.

India is so far behind it’s not even funny. Literally 50 percent of their population believes in bathing in shit water for religious reasons. So much work has to be done

Haunting_Bar4748

Three biggest problems india needs to solve to become a superpower. 
1. Flow of capital and controlling brain drain
2. Beuracracy and red tapism 
3. Low female labour participation. A country that does not utilise half of its population cannot dream of being a superpower. 

Tell me your top three

CuriousBygoner

I remember 10-15 years how much we would talk about the open air defecation. Even if that’s now less than 1%, it’s still indicative of how far they have to go

prozute

I disagree with the foreseeable part. India will not become superpower ever.

Fallen-Reincarnated

It depends what you mean by "Superpower". In the era of multinational corporations, the country has had, as you say, CEOs &amp; Execs of MS, Google &amp; many others, PMs of the UK, Ireland &amp; a US presidential candidate either Indian or of recent Indian heritage. India's strength is in it's Diaspora. If the last two elections in the UK &amp; US had gone the other way, you'd have had Indian heritage leaders of both the UK &amp; US at the same time.
I'd argue that even that possibility shows that India is already a soft power Superpower, because I can't think of another country with a diaspora in as many positions of power around the world as India.

vj_c

I think it will before 2100.   
India was knocked back millennia by the British, they killed 100,000,000 of them.

India used to have 30% of world GDP and they’re still nowhere near that.

Carl-99999

per capita has nothing to do with superpower status otherwise luxembourg would be superpower

Ok_Palpitation1846

It already is.

The glittering jewels of the US, Europe, and most other places have already outsourced and sold everything off. 

Everything is already X national in name only. Actually they're using the cheap Indian labour to get it done. Indians are starting to take leadership positions in a lot of major companies.

Within that culture, too, there is explicit racism, they are planning to hire Indians only, and they're planning to play out Indian caste systems despite the fact that they're illegal everywhere else. The point being is that once it goes Indian, they're much more inclined to move more of the business into India and use Indians more often.

What I will say is that so far cheap Indian labour has proven to be pretty inept in a really cynical fashion. It feels like outsourcing has always been pretty crap, but there has always been an assumption that they were cutting the wages, not exactly the service. It was frustrating working with people who didn't speak English, but there was a basic standard. They were trying to do the job. 

Indian outsourcing seems to have the distinction that they explicitly are not trying to fulfil the job. They will lie to you on the phone. They will give the most extremely basic answer. They'll forward you something completely unrelated and then spend 4 hours arguing that actually they solved the issue. They're actually looking for a way to pass the buck to you. They will cheat the SLA, mysteriously close tickets due to "lack of response" when they didn't take any action or communicate with the customer. They will pass it through 3 different teams who do the exact same shit. It feels more like a war of attrition rather than an attempt to resolve the problem.

I'm not saying this is a problem unique to India, but that the current trend is that everything is outsourced to India and that companies which were already providing relatively minimal support have become garbage. 

Also, in terms of software, world class companies like Microsoft  are making a series of decisions that are making their excellent products unstable. The documentation is becoming unreliable. They're making constant changes that make it hard to track anything over time. They're breaking things in ways that make it quite clear that nobody thought about the consequences. They're not overly concerned about any of that. They're still the big players, and it will be very difficult to upstage them, especially if all the other companies are doing the same thing. But I can imagine a future where it becomes enough of a ball ache to do anything that it becomes necessary to work around it. And if that's the case, then people will work around it, markets will spring up, and people will start to use a different software bundle to replace major functions. Except it's Microsoft, so there is too much power and money concentrated in one spot. The odds are that it buys out the fledgling competition, or it sees the future and just develops a way out of things.

I think the default is that India is already a superpower. The only time when things are going to improve is if outsourcing actually costs something. If people start to avoid outsourcing, then it's possible to develop a system that doesn't develop India. Otherwise, it's too embedded already and this is basically going to guarantee the success of India. 

I can see in this climate the potential for countries to start to resist the enshittification. There is public resentment. It's just not tied to anything that makes a difference. Trump is about it, and he's pretty crap at this, and he doesn't know what to target. Besides also the fact that trying to do anything about it makes for an unstable economy.

Delicious_Taste_39

That GDP per capita is even worse than Vietnam, a communist country.

I dont think you have to look at the numbers to deduce this

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India has one of the strongest militaries in the world....

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